I wish they'd just get off this shit about reporting time. If guilting people into preaching for them by time reporting requirements is their only way to distribute their literature, then this organisation has serious motivational problems. I think it's counter-productive and only encourages quantity over quality.
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Pumping up Field Service Time to the Billions of Hours
by RayPublisher inwe know that wt has been inflating the hours spent for a long time so that their "growth" looks good on paper and for bragging rights.
here is a quote from the 2008 km:.
*** km 9/08 p. 3 question box ***.
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Who's the biggest WT villian? Russell/Rutherford/Knorr/Franz?
by Las Malvinas son Argentinas inmine is rutherford.
the bible student movement of russell was badly splintered after the usurpation and was destined to fade away like the other russellite movements.
then judge joe decides to rebrand with 'jehovah's witnesses' and concieves of many different schemes designed to put his people into danger and gaining publicity for a sect that no one really thought about any more.
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reslight2 - The Bible Student movement has continued to this day, but my contention wasn't that it is non-existent, but that they have largely faded away. They consist of many different splinter sects, from the Dawn Bible Students claiming 60,000 members worldwide to the Australian Bible Student sect claiming 100 members. So having several thousand members scattered worldwide under several different sects to me would define fading away. I can't see any way how they can be described as thriving.
If C.T. Russell had in your mind had very little doctrinal matter wrong, and this was backed up from the Bible, I'm unsure as to approach this subject with you. I would start with the changed dates for Christ's return and 1914 as the date for Armageddon, but I don't wish to belabour you with all these statistics since you already have formed your own opinion. Just because Russell claimed he was not a 'prophet' does not mean that he did not make false prophecies. That's like publicly making all kinds of scientific claims, and then buggering off all responsibility just because you never claimed to be a 'scientist'. He did admit privately that he was the 'Faithful and Discreet Slave', so take that as you will.
Russell did not insist on complete ideological control over his flock, and minor dissentions and differences were tolerated. For this reason I have chosen Rutherford as the major destructive force in the modern-day JW religion. So I am unclear as to why you are calling me to task about Russell, since my focus was on Rutherford. To believe that Russell was not a false prophet, you would have to honestly believe in 1914 as the date for Christ's return (invisibly) and then conveniently ignore that Russell claimed with utmost certainty that 1914 was the year for Armageddon. Do you believe this?
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Who's the biggest WT villian? Russell/Rutherford/Knorr/Franz?
by Las Malvinas son Argentinas inmine is rutherford.
the bible student movement of russell was badly splintered after the usurpation and was destined to fade away like the other russellite movements.
then judge joe decides to rebrand with 'jehovah's witnesses' and concieves of many different schemes designed to put his people into danger and gaining publicity for a sect that no one really thought about any more.
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True, it would be too easy to treat men with relatively pleasant demeanours a bit more fairly than they should be treated. Russell was always looked upon as a grandfatherly type figure, and in person he seemed to be an amiable character. F.W. Franz also was popular among the Bethel crowd. On the other hand, Rutherford was and is an easy man to detest because he basically was a complete bastard to everyone he had dealings with. Knorr was probably second for his prudish manner and stern moral code. But for all of Knorr's faults, he had nothing to do with writing or the doctrinal part of it. When I think of the 1975 debacle, I don't think of him, but rather of F.W. Franz. As for Russell, he was a part of the original deception, and despite being proven wrong on so many things he stubbornly stuck to his belief that he was right. Even N.H. Barbour at one point gave up and let his magazine go out of print. Not Russell. He died thinking the Gentile Times had ended exactly as he had predicted.
But I'll keep to my pick of Rutherford, and I'll try not to let the fact that he was a complete asshole cloud my judgment. One of the worst aspects of being a Witness was the whole 'faith by works' dogma. I see it now as my ailing grandmother puts Watchtowers out by her bed and calls her unbelieving sisters in order to count her time. Russell didn't make door-to-door preaching as a pre-requisite to salvation. He had his colporteurs. Not Rutherford. Every man, woman, and child was expected to be on the front lines to do battle while he took luxury liners around the world. His obstinancy purposely started fights on the streets and in the courts, which is exactly how he wanted to publicise his JW reboot. Not that Knorr was much of an improvement, but at least he did remove the marriage ban and the field service quotas.
Rutherford to me took the crazed prophecies of Russell, the Knorr prudishness and stern business-like acumen, the intellectual condescension of F.W. Franz and wrapped it all up in a drunken racist douchebag package that was all about him. I can scarcely think of a decent quality Rutherford might have had. He took a organisation that wasn't even his and built a mansion for himself based on a convenient deception. While the others have had similar misgivings about them, none of them approach the level of grandiosity and pompous nature of that vile man.
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Who's the biggest WT villian? Russell/Rutherford/Knorr/Franz?
by Las Malvinas son Argentinas inmine is rutherford.
the bible student movement of russell was badly splintered after the usurpation and was destined to fade away like the other russellite movements.
then judge joe decides to rebrand with 'jehovah's witnesses' and concieves of many different schemes designed to put his people into danger and gaining publicity for a sect that no one really thought about any more.
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2006? Wow, didn't know you've been around this long.
Woodworth, MacMillan, and Jaracz are good additions. Woodworth was the idiot who started the whole blood thing. He had a grudge against the medical establishment every bit as much as the Judge did against the clergy. MacMillan played a huge role in Rutherford's usurpation as he could have easily taken control himself and had the votes to do so. And good old Ted... everything I hear about the man makes me think asshole.
Interesting stuff.
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Who's the biggest WT villian? Russell/Rutherford/Knorr/Franz?
by Las Malvinas son Argentinas inmine is rutherford.
the bible student movement of russell was badly splintered after the usurpation and was destined to fade away like the other russellite movements.
then judge joe decides to rebrand with 'jehovah's witnesses' and concieves of many different schemes designed to put his people into danger and gaining publicity for a sect that no one really thought about any more.
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Mine is Rutherford. The Bible Student movement of Russell was badly splintered after the usurpation and was destined to fade away like the other Russellite movements. Then Judge Joe decides to rebrand with 'Jehovah's Witnesses' and concieves of many different schemes designed to put his people into danger and gaining publicity for a sect that no one really thought about any more. No man is more responsible for the JWs today as this man was. Everybody who followed was just trying to carry on his legacy.
There's no right or wrong answer. Any thoughts?
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Maybe he's looking for Joseph Smith's famed 'Reformed Egyptian' scripts.
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How do you react when you happen upon the name jehovah
by jean-luc picard inwhenever i here that name, maybe in conversation with someone who doesnt know my past, i feel anger welling up instantly inside me.. if there were a jw in sight, i think i could give him a jolly good shaking.. just hearing that name does things to me.. jesus = love.
jehovah = hate, selfishness, divisiveness, and domineering manipulation.. so much for jdubs "honoring " his name.
he's sure got a bad reputation based on how they live their lives..
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Personally I can't stand the name and constant repetition of it. If I had to hear some reference to the 'almighty', God, Jesus, or 'The Lord' would be much preferable. When I hear 'Jehovah' I think of a drunken, overweight scumbag from Missouri sending his followers to be physically assaulted in order to gain publicity for his rebranding of his usurped and rapidly fading Bible Student Russellite movement.
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The Third Korea
by fulltimestudent innot many people are aware that there is a third korea, in addition to what we call south korea and north korea.. only oceans form effective borders, other-wise ethnic groups straddle borders.
and, along the yalu river, which forms much of the border between north korea and china, we find on the chinese side of the river, a large korean population in china's dong-bei (the north-east).
this area is shown in red,on the map below.. .
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Further proof that China would prefer a Korean status quo on the reunification issue. Currently Korean residents of Yanbian show no desire to unite with the Kim regime and every desire to integrate into the booming Chinese economy. Take the Kims out of the equation and extend Seoul's dominion to the Chinese border and that might change.
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Where to bury the heroic Tamerlan Tsarnaev
by Nathan Natas ini suggest he should be cremated and his cremains sprinkled over a pig farm, or better yet, several pig farms.. .
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You can always ask Keith Richards if he'd snort the ashes like he did with his father.
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Over 184 million served ...
by Simon intopic pages that is (not counting home page, active or subject pages).
holy crap, you lot like to talk and read a lot !.
we're currently getting about 1.8 million page views (across all pages) and ~ 150k unique visitors (275k visits in total) per month.. glad i have a plan to move things to the cloud soon!.
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If I was so close, then I get another guess.
Pitcairn Island